http://www.naturalgame.com Natural Game by Zan Perrion - A forum dedicated to seduction, dating and relationships, and the ways of real attraction. http://www.zanperrion.com en Fri, 18 May 2012 13:15:01 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.naturalgame.com/images/misc/rss.jpg http://www.naturalgame.com http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12821&goto=newpost Fri, 18 May 2012 10:28:34 GMT Hi, Adult SEX Toys - Dangerous for the Human Health? I have read this in a newspaper... my question is why? Have you ever such thing anywhere?... Hi,
Adult SEX Toys - Dangerous for the Human Health? I have read this in a newspaper... my question is why? Have you ever such thing anywhere?
Thanks! ]]> Sexuality SophieB http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12821 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12820&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 21:25:59 GMT I had this idea to put up some kind of regular entry in this forum as a plea for help in uncovering the mystery behind women. After that intense... I had this idea to put up some kind of regular entry in this forum as a plea for help in uncovering the mystery behind women. After that intense incident in my former workplace (don't worry, I got transferred to a different library. Govment loves me cause I'm in college.), I had this sudden awakening that gave me a powerful sense of freedom.



This WILL be done on a regular basis. I want to record all my interactions with all the women I flirt with and see what everyone thinks about it. Please be brutally honest, be brutally open, and I beg you to share to me the knowledge that you think I should gain in order to have a better understanding of women. If this goes half-way well, I WILL start producing videos and upload them to my Youtube channel.



Now here goes my last three "field reports" in no particular order:



(Barnes and Noble)

Me: Excuse me, do you guys have a particular section for your bestselling books?

Girl # 1: Yeah. They're all right over here...

Me: Okay. Thanks.

......

Me: Can I borrow a pen and paper? ... But don't expect me to return the paper.

Girl # 1: lol. Okay. Here you go. Sticky notes are all I have though.

Me: Okay.



30 minutes later, some cockblocking customer FINALLY stopped talking to her. She then started walking all over the place. Can't follow her tail because then that would be stalking... And then she passed by me. I waved her the pen while mentally screaming at the top of my brain's lungs "ASK HER OUT! ASK HER THE F*CK OUT!!!" She said thank you, took my pen, and I did not ask her out...







So I breathed, sighed, and went for it anyway. I reapproached her with weakened bravado.

Me: Hey, umm, this is probably not the appropriate place to ask but, do you have a boyfriend?

Girl # 1: Oh me? Hahahah. No.

Me: Sounds good. So maybe you and I can go to dinner later to get to know each other more.

Girl # 1: Uh, no thanks.

Me: Okay.

Girl # 1: Sorry.

Me: Bye.



(tired. Will continue to write.) ]]> General Discussion ViKtoricus http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12820 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12819&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 20:56:39 GMT Most of you know that I am the underdog and the black sheep of this forum. And as an underdog in many areas of my life, I know what it's like to have others help you, or at least try to help you to change.

I noticed that 90% of the advice, especially with such a philosophically driven subject as how we can improve with women, are basically same things written in different ways.

I also noticed that those who communicate with me delicately and swerve by my natural egocentricity are the ones who I listen to the most.



I am not specifically asking people to change their behavior towards me because that would be selfish on my part. But I would like everyone to know that I am not the only narcissistic person in the world. All of us are, in some way, narcissistic whether we admit it or not. So here are some ways to communicate with people like me, who find it hard to believe that we can be wrong...






Rule # 1: Expect us to be offended by your unselfish honesty. Arrogance makes us believe that we probably know better than you and if sparked, it can cause a very ugly conversation that would not be productive for this forum. It's not a matter of being right or being wrong, but a matter of how the weaker man would percieve the master's words.



Rule # 2: Stop believing that what you learned, even from your own experience, is the end all and be all of everything. Life is far more dynamic and people can witness the most unbelievable things.



Rule # 3: If you have nothing good to say, don't say it. Period.



Rule # 4: Narcissistic people are in fact, very weak deep inside. Learn our weaknesses and exploit them in ways that, instead of destroying our morale, would enhance it. It does sound sinister to manipulate someone for anything, but this is not a religion-based website where we have to make sure everyone has to be humbled by the same God. I am a devoted Christian who does not believe in Catholicism and I should not try to convert people into becoming non-catholics.



Rule # 5: Never ever, ever, ever, ever bait us to troll. Most are probably the weak trolls who are easily banned, but some of us can drag this to a slow and painful torture to the mods and forum members.



Rule # 6: If you truly want to understand us on a deep level, STUDY the works of Robert Greene (preferably The 48 Laws of Power and The Art of Seduction, in that order.). It will give you extremely intensive and extremely extensive explanations on why we do what we do, say what we say in an extremely accurate way. Mr. Greene grasped our psychology in the balls.



Rule # 7: Probably the most important of them all... Let us always have the last word. It's hard enough for us to live a happy life, so give us a break. ]]> General Discussion ViKtoricus http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12819 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12818&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 18:32:37 GMT Hey guys, I've just found this forum and I've been reading it for the past 2 hours and thus me posting my story now.

Here's the deal, I'm/was in a relationship with an awesome girl for the past 5 years (I'm 24 and she's 23). We were going along fine, until one day (a couple of months ago) I went to meet her and she was feeling down, I asked her what was going on and she replied to me that, among many other things, that she just see me as she used to. She told me that she saw me more like of a brother rather than a boyfriend and we promised each other that we would try to fix it because we ended up getting to mid-point that this was just a phase that she was going through because her godfather had just passed away. Months went by and everything was seeming to be going ok until, 3 weeks ago, I woke up feeling sad in general (don't ask me why), and texted her the stuff that was in my mind, aka, how we, as a couple hadn't advanced much, how I didn't like how her mother protected her and treated her (as an example, in the last 5 years we only spent two nights together and how her mother dislikes men in general (due to her husband leaving them probably)), how feeling like I was getting "second place" in her life and she not giving that much importance to me. I even said to her that I hadn't seen affection from her in quite a while. After I texted her, later that day I called her because we used to do that the day before we were together. When I called her she told me she had something to say that she was uncertain about but was thinking this whole time.
The next day, we meet up like usual, we kissed like normal, until we got to a quiet, isolated place so we could talk. We talked for about 2 hours (no arguing) and she told me (among many other things): "If I'm not happy and I'm not making you feel happy, maybe its best if we go our separate ways". to which I replied "Why am I not making you happy? What is it about me that doesn't make you happy?" (to point out that I helped her in every way I could, and pampered her with playfulness and motivation when she needed it/"deserved it") and to that i got no clear answer on why wasn't I making her happy and why she didn't tell me sooner.

She went to class (we were talking in her college) and before she entered, I told her: "I know that you are conveying the point of breaking up with me (cuz she never said it directly), but I think its best for us to take a break instead of that."
After that I went to a place to try to eat, but as soon as I go there my stomach felt sick with the smell of food and I passed 2 whole hours just wandering around the streets to make time so I'd meet her again after her class. Her class finished and I went to get her so we would finish talking, and there I've told her, based on what I felt and what wasn't feeling right about what she said: "You know what; I don't believe that you don't like me like you did before, cuz if you didn't, you wouldn't come asking for kisses hugs or even we wouldn't have had sex" and to what she replied: "I like you, but I think its not enough to continue a relationship". At that moment my mind froze, I couldn't think of what else to say or do and even though we were in a public place, a couple of tears started to escape the corner of my eye.
As we we're arriving to her bus stop, we started talking about our break, how long it would last and how would we go about it. and I asked her (like "testing" her): "While we're on a break, do you want me to call you(this being because her phone and home phone can only receive calls), or do you want to cut off contact completely?" and she replied: "well you can call once a week if you'd like". I evaluated that as she still feeling something for me and not wanting to letting go. I discussed with a friend about it, and he said that I shouldn't call her, cause if I did, I would be showing my weaker side and giving in to her "wishes".

Our break "time" is almost up (we arranged so we would meet at May 25th), and before that time, on may 23rd, we supposedly had our five year anniversary.
I am going to something I never did before in that day while we are on the break. I'm going to leave a box in her backyard at May 22nd at night with a big heart-shaped-chocolate, a note and 5 red roses symbolizing our 5 years together.

Now I'm at that stage that I don't know what is going on through her head, I don't know if she feels regretful for the situation or if she's feeling "hate" for me not calling her this whole time.

I still love and care for her, but since we didn't talk to each other since then, I feel like if I called her before the time is up, I wouldn't know what to say or do over the phone.

I also don't know if I should mention, in the note/letter, that we are on the break, or bring too much sadness in it.

In this time I was thinking about was wrong and what was right about our relationship, and I've reached the conclusion that she was, indirectly, taking me for granted, thus my value to her not meaning "that much" to her now. I think I am ready to embrace either answer of her (that she misses me and wants to come back or that she thinks its better that we really break up). One line of action I was thinking about doing was telling her, that I really love her and that how us being separated really made me see what I was doing wrong and how "dependent" I was being and that it woke up a new side of me so we take things slowly and go with the flow (I was talking too much about our future together when in reality, I'm unemployed and she's still finishing her degree) instead of making long-term fixed plans we might not even follow. I'm also going to tell her that I think we have potential as couple and all we need for both of us to work on the relationship a bit as long as we don't take each other for granted and to be aware that things could end up at any time.

I would love to your opinions about all this. Do you think I'm doing the right things? What do you advise about this and other stuff? Should I call her while we are on the break? (reminder: 3 weeks have gone by and not a word was said to each other (mainly cuz I couldn't call her (didn't find the courage), and she can't call me either).

edit: forgot to point out that this is a long distance relationship.

btw, sorry for the tl;dr. ]]> Relationships MisterR http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12818 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12817&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 14:39:59 GMT I wanted to get this of my chest.

Women don't have time anymore. I regularly meet a woman on my way around town, talk to her, have a pleasant conversation and end up getting her number and texting her soon after that.

However, setting up a time to meet her always proves so difficult. Most women I meet here work up to seven days a week! Six is not very uncommon, five is the norm, and if that, then terrible long hours!

In the end, it proves neigh impossible to find a time to meet. On the weekends she has to attend classes, studying for some CPA examination or go on some business trip. And the longer I drag it out, the less we can remember each other, and the more our possible second encounter fades into obscureness.

Sometimes it seems to me that women don't have time for romance anymore. They are so caught up in their (mostly boring) job that is leaves little room for else. That really makes me sad.

Truly, the greatest times I had with women are those who simply don't have a job. Mostly they arrived recently to town and it is a pleasure to be with them because they really devote time to see you. If I meet a beautiful woman I want to see her as often as possible, preferably tomorrow already again (and I tell her that), and I won't settle for the occasional meetup here and then once a week. That would be pure agony to wait so long to see her again.

Women don't seem to have time for romance anymore. Can somebody relate? ]]> General Discussion munterberg http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12817 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12816&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 10:43:18 GMT I just head a realization. Nothing new really, but it dawned on me like a lightening strike *-Honesty IS the greatest of afrodisiacs*, is the... I just head a realization. Nothing new really, but it dawned on me like a lightening strike

-Honesty IS the greatest of afrodisiacs,

is the source of your power, love, passion, purpose , non-neediness and stregth of comunication. Honesty blended with kindness is apsolutely what makes the greatest charisma. Is the source of all simplicity also and effectiveness and clearity. And of course is the sourse of all our manly and womanly attractive qualities, if I look back to all that people have written on seduction it has it's root here. What do I want? check! Why? check! How does it make me feel? WHAT IS MY TRUE EXPRESSION? after that all we have to do is to relate with the world in front of us and stand our ground.

-The present moment is you best wingmen.

All the answers and actions we seek are always now and all the help we need is in being present, aware, empathic and immersed in the present moment. There is where all the independence from other's opinions lies, there where your drive and inspiration to go forward to what you are attracted to fearlessly comes from. In the present moment our mind works best and catches all the words and actions we want in our net and gives them freedom to be and to express, it's when we are completely immersed in the present moment that we believe and not doubt our selves, that we act upon our internal inspiration, that we go to that girl in the middle of a crowd and talk to her without bothering about what she or her friends or the people around may think. It's being totally present that allows you to be naturally empathic, naturally curious, naturally fascinated by things, naturally decisive. ]]> General Discussion http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12816 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12815&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 09:41:34 GMT I heard this line in "Once upon a time" and it reminded me of our journey in understanding women and our relationships with them and I stopped thinking about how much power is seductive to women, I mean powerful man, they fall in love with power.

If you are not more powerfull then her in her eyes she will rarely get exited and aroused by you, but also how tiring it is to always rise to the challenge of power in relationships and I thought, wait a minute, and what if all the power we need lies in love?

Like that article Hans wrote "love and learn", what if love gives us all the power and non-neediness and independence and enthusiasm and vision and passion we need to be perceived as pwerful? I think this is what Zan and Hans mean by telling men to just "love women" and they WILL love you back. ]]> General Discussion http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12815 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12814&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 00:35:51 GMT Its been several months since I last logged on and checked into here, and I can see you all are keeping busy. I have as well and thought I'd share what I've been up to over these past several months, so here goes:

1.) I broke up with a girl that many guys would consider a smoking hot 10 because she was into a lifestyle that I simply am not into (partying, clubbing, drinking, etc.) Most would consider that stupid of me, I feel like Texas Wanderulst would be proud of me, yet I also feel an I-told-you-so coming from him haha.

2.) I've spent a lot of time talking to many women, both online and in person, from all over the world and truly found out how badly in need women are for real men. One girl I was talking to said she was on the verge of deep depression because she can't find a real man who will love her, care for her, and protect her. I always knew that women wanted a real man in their life, but I never realized how they truly long for one.

3.) I picked up a new, sexy, manly hobby/passion in the form of straight razor shaving. Nothing beats the feeling of shaving with a large, surgically sharp blade that can kill someone.

4.) I wrapped up my second to last semester as a pre-med and begin the long journey of preparing for my ticket into med-school, studying for my MCAT.

Thats about it. I can safely say that still not many women interest me nowadays, I've yet to find one that will blow me away and sweep me off my feet. In the mean time, I just keep moving forward. Hope all is well with you my fellow pirates! ]]> General Discussion animalwithin http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12814 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12813&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 21:44:47 GMT A couple nights ago, I got wind that one of my rock and roll heroes was playing a show in town, within a couple of hours. I dropped all my plans (and... A couple nights ago, I got wind that one of my rock and roll heroes was playing a show in town, within a couple of hours. I dropped all my plans (and by "plans," I mean smoking pot and playing Zelda) and hurried my ass out to this bar. The show was advertised to start at eight o'clock, but when I got there, the guy said it starts at nine. Way to rush me in early, bar! Way to make me sit at the bar and drink a glass of water!

Some time goes by, and I'm sittin' at the bar, not talking to anybody. I look at the door, and she walks in! I had to fight the urge to fan out on her, or at least prolong the inevitable fanning. I knew she had probably been sitting in a van for hours and hours, so I didn't want to jump at her as soon as she got to the venue.

The opener was an acoustic act, so it was still possible to talk during the set. After a couple of songs, I went over and said something along the lines of, "Hey. I wanted to come introduce myself. My name's so-and-so." I don't really remember what I said after that, but being that she's from Ohio, I did ask if she had ever played in Youngstown. She said no, but somebody had recently asked her to play there. I gave her a quick recap of our bizarre trip out there. The whole time, I was a bundle of nerves. I can't stress that enough. And she was so damn cool! The way I related to her, I felt like she could totally be my aunt.

I gave her one of my CDs. She got excited when I described it as sounding like the Butthole Surfers singing the Vaselines. Her musical partner gave me a CD-R of theirs, with two songs on it and a marker drawing on the disc. He also took down my phone number.

We talked about skateboarding. She doesn't skate, but she is an enthusiast. The guy she was playing the show with -- he skates. So we kind of bonded over that.

After she played her set, I talked to her again, this time in a calm-er state of mind. I told her I was totally a bundle of nerves earlier, but she's just so damn cool, that I'm now more at ease. I was still a bundle of nerves, just less. I also mentioned how I had been covering a song from her old -- and most well-known -- band. She sounded genuinely excited to hear that, and laughed out loud when I told her how I had changed some of the lyrics.

Man, I'm just gushing now. What does this have to do with meeting women? Well, she's a woman, for one. That's a pretty big one. No it isn't. I was so nervous to talk to her, but I acted anyway. And she was just so damn awesome!

Sure as hell beats playing a video game! ]]> General Discussion Bomb Drop http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12813 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12812&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 17:47:42 GMT Some time ago I promised to write something about "socially acceptable behaviour". Here it is.

This thread is not for beginners that are scared to experiment and for those who are afraid of problems. You have to like a challenge. You must realize not everybody is gonna like you for following this path.

So what makes someone a "badboy"? Well, there is a lot of stuff being said about it, but here is what I think it is:

1. A badboy is free. A badboy doesn't care about what society thinks of him. His freedom is more important to him. And that is why he gets admired. He is free while you are not. You wish you were like him.

2. A badboy likes having fun with taboos. A badboy holds a mirror up for those who feel constrained by socially acceptable behaviour. And this is a necessity. In most cultures sticking your dick into a nice lady is not accepted. But everybody does it and the lady loves it. A badboy exploits these made up limitations to tease the hell out of her and everybody else. He is terrible and awful according to what they say, but what they say is not what they think nor feel.

3. A badboy gets caught lying. A badboy tells nonsense to your face. You never know whether he is serious or not. Most of the time he is not. But then again most of the time what he says contains some truth and wisdom. Not that he is ever serious, but he is always right. Trust me on this. Did I already tell you a badboy is never serious? (most of the time anyway)

4. A badboy gets slapped in the face by women on a regular basis.

5. A badboy gets slapped somewhere else on a regular basis.

6. A badboy objectifies women and gets away with it because he gets caught lying and he really is a soft nice guy in disguise that loves women. (Their bodies anyway.)

7. A badboy has balls that big the earth and the moon revolve around them.

8. A badboy is everything you are not and your girlfriend knows it.

9. I can write some more nonsense but I'll just share these sources of inspiration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw6yeMBtb_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJmAKvKly4w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWBuW2GvF6A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfTPS-TFQ_c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZrctLnsF4M&ob=av2e

10. Add something of your own. ]]> General Discussion Satyr http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12812 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12810&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 11:46:50 GMT Dear pirates! I know we are with a lot of people on this forum who are all sharing good ideas about various number of topics. And today I would... Dear pirates!

I know we are with a lot of people on this forum who are all sharing good ideas about various number of topics. And today I would like your impartial advice on the following.

I’m a 21 year old man from the Netherlands. I’ve achieved two propaedeutic certificates in Cultural Science and Business Informatics. And now I’m doubting on two scenarios.

1: Starting Business (3-5 years) at the University of Amsterdam.

2: Going abroad to set up a business idea that keeps wandering in my mind.

I know that both scenarios will be very adventurous, hard work, challenging, risky, demanding, an experience, educational, a big chance. But I find it very difficult to make the right decision at this stage of my life.

I know that scenario 1 will get me a diploma, that I can use for the rest of my life. And I know that scenario 2 will be very adventurous and a big educational/chance/experience for me. I will learn a lot from both scenarios. But I can only choose one at the time.

It would help me a lot to get an opinion/response from you on making this decision.

Thnx!! ]]> Off Topic smetta http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12810 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12809&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 09:57:25 GMT Hello guys, Ive been going out for a few months already enjoying myself more and more and getting better results. I have stopped going out with my... Hello guys,
Ive been going out for a few months already
enjoying myself more and more and getting better results.
I have stopped going out with my wingman because we didnt really
become close.
So Im looking for new guys to go out with as much as possible,
during the week and if you want also on the weekends.

Age isnt relevant. Im 24 now, working and single and live in Amsterdam.
Im a normal friendly guy with a professional education, many friends and interests.

Let me know if you wanna go for a drink and do some approaches.
Please send me an email to maxneu123@hotmail.com.

See you,
MaxNeu ]]> Crew Members Near You CoolShiggy http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12809 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12807&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 02:57:59 GMT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8c1kp9nNiY Wow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8c1kp9nNiY

Wow ]]> Sources of Inspiration TonySoprano http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12807 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12806&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 14:12:36 GMT S***... Past 6 months... Hoooooo Dayum!!! I now have hair in all the wroooong kinds of places, and less hair in all the right kinds of places.... S***...

Past 6 months... Hoooooo Dayum!!!
I now have hair in all the wroooong kinds of places, and less hair in all the right kinds of places. :rolleyes:

Ah god...

It is weird, it is like relationships can be tame little willy willy's, or they can be stage 5, holy SHIT, rip the earth from the ground kinda storms that will KILL YOU IN YOUR BUNKER.
I dip my hat to all in relationships, and will offer a couple words.

Entering some relationships requires payment of power so that you don't totally blow someone out. But if you aren't careful, this can twist, they can TAKE that power and refuse to give it back.

You: Hey! :confused: Unfair :eek:

Yes, they can, and ooooh how they WILL! Its good though, it invigorates the spirit to know you can handle these things.
The trick is, to know whats really important, and to be able to revive it when the time is right. So that at any time you can RETURN to the power of the man that entered that relationship.

For me, it is a rocket fuel of just "holy crap this guy does amazing stuff", and it will blow ANY girl out of her boat. We all have this in some sense. And it is precisely what needs to be able to return to you. Not so that you may have VENGEANCE, no... You must be past that stuff to even ATTEMPT to get your power back. It is the last step, the cherry on top, the evidence that shows you have EVERYTHING back again.

You want to be able to enter a relationship, get F***** up, and then come out totally as you began it, at least ONCE. Just to show to yourself you can do it.
Its about individuality, and only INDIVIDUALS can respect each other... And only individuals can give up their power freely...

True strength comes from being able to let others chose what they do to you, but to rise to power again, so that they don't decide everything.



That is how you illustrate another side of who you are. And how you go from outside the storm, INTO THE STORM, and then become the eye of the storm itself.
Its how you cultivate a deeper level of trust, with yourself, and another.
As we are all storms, and if we can never rebuild, how can we get to what is on the other side?

Know, their is gonna be PAYMENT, but don't look at it all sissy... Know there will come a day to rise. ]]> Relationships Cosy http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12806 http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12803&goto=newpost Mon, 14 May 2012 23:10:25 GMT It's a long story, but I'll fill you guys in some other time.



Basically, what happened is, I'm working in this library where a very pretty, MARRIED woman is working. Before I was employed in the place, I was flirting with her STRONGLY (apparently, those two times I flirted with her made her feel uncomfortable).

When I got employed, I stopped flirting with her. But I started to talk to two of my co-workers about her, finding out whatever useful information I can, which is:

- She is religious, which means she may be sexually repressed.

- She is "happily married" according to one of my co-workers. If that is true, seduction would be nil.



2 days later, three of my co-workers ratted me out to the boss, and apparently, the reason why she is with her husband before and after work is because she is scared of me.

Now, I'll be hearing what will happen tomorrow and my boss will hear my side of the story.



Why would I get in trouble? I never flirted with her while at work, and my questions to my co-workers about her, though personal, were very open-ended.



I was just doing it to get more information about her so that I can somehow improve the logistics of the seduction. And now I'm screwed!

And I even asked my boss if we are allowed to date co-workers. He said YES! As long as I don't show any "inappropriate displays of affection," which I NEVER did while at work! ]]> General Discussion ViKtoricus http://www.naturalgame.com/showthread.php?t=12803